Re: Proposed New Note Well

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Tue, 22 March 2016 17:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: Proposed New Note Well
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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I don't think the note well is all defined as a reminder, but it is a
policy which may have part of it as an advise and reminder. I agree with
Brian that the old version is better but the reminders included in the
proposal is great. So I propose we can add the reminder/advise paragraph to
the old version maybe in numbers  to make it easier as:-

Note Well

This is an abstract of IETF policies in effect of all participations in
IETF. Exceptions may apply, therefore, the IETF's patent policy and the
definition of an IETF "contribution" and "participation" are set forth in
BCP 79; please read it carefully. The following three points are meant to
point you in the right direction to understand your rights.

1- Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for publication
as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and any statement made
within the context of an IETF activity is considered an "IETF
Contribution". Such statements include oral statements in IETF sessions, as
well as written and electronic communications made at any time or place,
which are addressed to:

   - The IETF plenary session
   - The IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG
   - Any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any working
   group or design team list, or any other list functioning under IETF auspices
   - Any IETF working group or portion thereof
   - Any Birds of a Feather (BOF) session
   - The IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB
   - The RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function

2- As a reminder:

• By participating in the IETF, you agree to follow IETF processes and
  policies.
• If you are aware that any IETF contribution is covered by patents or
  patent applications that are owned or controlled by you or your
  sponsor, you must disclose that fact, or not participate in the
  discussion.
• As a participant in any IETF activity you acknowledge that written,
  audio and video records of meetings may be made public.
• Personal information that you provide to IETF will be handled in
  accordance with the IETF Privacy Statement.

3- Definitive information is in the documents listed below and other IETF
BCPs. For advice, please talk to WG chairs or ADs:
​
BCP 9 (Internet Standards Process)
​BCP 25 (Working Group processes)
BCP 25 (Anti-Harassment Procedures)
BCP 54 (Code of Conduct)
​BCP 78 (Copyright)
​BCP 79 (Patents, Participation)
TBD (Privacy)
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AB

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I could live with this, although I am still happy enough with the old
> version.
>
> > By participating in the IETF,
>
> I think this should say
>
>  By participating in the IETF in person, remotely, or on-line,
>
> > ​BCP 25 (Working Group processes)
> > BCP 25 (Anti-Harassment Procedures)
>
> Why two separate lines, when BCP 9 (6 different RFCs) only gets one line?
>
> Regards
>    Brian
>
>