Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Sun, 28 December 2014 09:20 UTC
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:20:12 -0600
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps
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On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 05:24:23PM -0800, Ted Hardie wrote: > The third is that the proposal for a single mega-area that handles all > upper-layer protocols and transports does not strike me, personally, as > that well thought out. [...] > [...]. Why it is > better for that to be informal, rather than formalized into areas doesn't > get set out that well in the statement you've given, and if that isn't the > expectation, more explanation of how you expect that to work would be > valuable. [...] That's my take as well: if formal areas are too difficult to manage, then get rid of them altogether as a formal organizing principle. One concern that might come up then is: will each assignment of an IESG members (no longer "ADs") to WGs become a matter of debate for the IETF? That would be death by a thousand paper cuts. IMO: lose areas as a formal organizing principle, design a light-weight process for "AD" assignments to WGs, move on. 'Areas' as an organizing principle are... distracting -- at least some areas that exist or are being proposed are. I rougly know what areas named "transport" or "security" are and what fits there. But then you look at the details and oddities pop up. Just get rid of them. But keep the directorates! Nico --
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Lemon
- IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Huub van Helvoort
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Robert Sparks
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Paul Hoffman
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Steve Crocker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Scott Brim
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ole Jacobsen
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Alia Atlas
- WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Stephen Farrell
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Alia Atlas
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Hardie
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Jari Arkko
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Alia Atlas
- Re: WGs/AD [IETF areas re-organisation steps] Melinda Shore
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Eggert, Lars
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Robert Sparks
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Hardie
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Robert Sparks
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Eggert, Lars
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Brian Trammell
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Mary Barnes
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ben Campbell
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Benoit Claise
- RE: IETF areas re-organisation steps Larry Masinter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Yoav Nir
- RE: IETF areas re-organisation steps Larry Masinter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps joel jaeggli
- RE: IETF areas re-organisation steps Larry Masinter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Julian Reschke
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps t.p.