Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

Robert Moskowitz <rgm-ietf@htt-consult.com> Tue, 17 November 2020 19:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
To: ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com, ietf@ietf.org
Cc: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Ned,

On 11/17/20 9:01 AM, ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote:
> The discussion of FTP service retirement has actually been surprisinginly
> informative. Things I've learned include:
>
> (1) The IETF no longer provides HTTP access, leaving FTP as the only
>      access mechanism that doesn't require a crypto layer. With FTP gone,
>      crypto becomes a requirement for access.

I do not use crypto with rsync.

> (2) Some people believe implementation of an FTP client is difficult,
>      more difficult than implementing HTTPS.
>
> (3) There is concern over the attack surface of an FTP server, but in
>      practically the same breath (message) people are considering getting
>      back some functionality by deploying WebDAV.
>
> I mention (2) and (3) because I always find it interesting how people weigh
> various tradeoffs.
>
> For me the decider is (1). I don't like FTP all that much, but if it's
> the only remaining access mechanism that doesn't call for crypto, I like
> losing it a whole lot less.
>
> Let's please keep the FTP servers going.
>
> 				Ned
>