Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-service-number-12
"Ben Campbell" <ben@nostrum.com> Fri, 16 December 2016 04:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-service-number-12
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Hi Joel, Thanks for the comments. There has been a fair amount of discussion about the status of the draft. The situation is clearly not optimal, and I welcome input on how to straighten it out. The rational so far has been that this draft updates RFC 4588, which is informational. It adds some additional values and related semantics for the "cause" parameter from 4588. It does not register new parameters; rather it adds itself as a reference in the existing "cause" registration. This is mainly a courtesy to readers. (There is no sub-registry for "cause" parameter values.) We might could get by without that change, since in a perfect world people following the IANA reference to 4588 would notice the "Updated by..." tag. The gotcha is that RFC 4588 would not be possible as an informational today; it would not have standing to register the "cause" parameter. But at the time it was published, there was a lack of clarity around the "standards action" policy for the SIP URI parameters registry. Making the new values from _this_ draft standards track, when the parameter itself is not, doesn't seem appropriate. We had some discussion about whether we should promote 4588 to PS, but there was not consensus to do so when it was published, and I don't see reason to expect that to have changed. This draft is primarily intended to meet a need in 3GPP, where I understand they are effectively already doing this. Would it help to more tightly scope this as "Here's something 3GPP is doing..." rather than as a general mechanism? Thanks! Ben. On 15 Dec 2016, at 21:57, Joel Halpern wrote: > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready with Issues > > Major: > This document defines a new code for use in SIP, and specifies new > behavior both for the code itself and for its use in history-info. I > am thus confused as to how this can be an informational RFC. It looks > like it either Proposed Standard or experimental. Yes, I see that RFC > 4458, which this updates is Informational. But just because we did it > wrong before does not make that behavior correct now. In addition to > my understanding of the roles of different RFCs, I note that RFC 3969 > and the IANA registry both state that this assignment must be made by > a standards track RFC. > > Minor: > Given our emphasis on IPv6 over IPv4, would it not make sense for > the examples to use IPv6 addresses? (Inspired by the Id-Nits alert.)
- Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-service… Joel Halpern
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Ben Campbell
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Ben Campbell
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Cullen Jennings
- RE: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… marianne.mohali
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Mary Barnes
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Ben Campbell
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-ca… Adam Roach
- Re: [dispatch] Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-ca… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-ca… Robert Sparks
- Re: [dispatch] Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-ca… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-ca… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- RE: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… marianne.mohali
- Re: Review of draft-mohali-dispatch-cause-for-ser… Ben Campbell