Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt
Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> Tue, 26 October 2021 20:21 UTC
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From: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:21:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt
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Exactly. The Nomcom can't make good decisions unless we get good feedback from the community and in my experience a small percentage of the community provides feedback. We've had many discussions as to how this list doesn't necessarily reflect overall community consensus, so Nomcom should not be expected to consider this as input to the process (IMHO). My personal opinion (Nomcom voting member hat off) is that If we actually had lots of volunteers for these positions, then I'd absolutely support the notion of ensuring folks didn't move from IESG to IAB (which is the most common path I think) and so forth. However, we don't have sufficient resources in the community that are willing and able to serve in these roles as is IMHO. This will only make that problem worse. And, personally, I think we had two great IETF chairs that each served 3 terms. So, it's not clear to me we're solving a real problem with these proposals. Regards, Mary. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:44 PM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote: > > *Guidance* to NomCom along these lines would be a fine idea > > If only we had some way of telling NomCom how we feel about candidates and > appointments. > > Adrian > >
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- RE: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Adrian Farrel
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Salz, Rich
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Jared Mauch
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt John Levine
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Carsten Bormann
- RE: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Jared Mauch
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Salz, Rich
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Salz, Rich
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Michael Richardson
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt tom petch
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Barry Leiba
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt John Levine
- Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsalz-t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt tom petch
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Salz, Rich
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Keith Moore
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Christian Huitema
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Salz, Rich
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Keith Moore
- Re: Workload constants [was I-D Action: draft-rsa… Colin Perkins
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Mary B
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Mary B
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Salz, Rich