Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...

Hector Santos <> Sun, 02 December 2012 00:47 UTC

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This proposal sounds interesting but couldn't it run into conflicts 
when there are competition in running code?   Who's running code do 
you fast track?  How does it apply in the protocol updates area, i.e. 
BIS work?

This proposal and thread, similar to the recent others, all seem to be 
looking for endorsing methods for lack of a better term, "rubber 
stamping" and fast tracking work items, in particular when there are 
WG related barriers holding back the WG work item(s) production progress.

I personally do not have an issue with expediting work when the proper 
protocol engineering is done and the adequate engineering reviews are 
done, in fact, I depend on the IETF/IESG engineering do this work.  I 
depend on the long time wisdom and engineering judgment of the IETF 
leaders and reviewers to watch over sensitive engineering issues, 
including conflict of interest related matters.

In the end, we are talking about trusting the process.  If IETF 
participants, especially those who don't attend meetings and long 
participated remotely or via mailing list, lose faith in the WG 
process, these process change proposals may expedite IETF work, but 
they may also handicap the potential of a proposed standard, change 
and industry following.


Stephen Farrell wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've just posted an idea [1] for a small process improvement.
> If it doesn't seem crazy I'll try pursue it with the IESG as
> an RFC 3933 process experiment. If its universally hated then
> that's fine, it can die.
> The IESG have seen (more-or-less) this already but it hasn't
> be discussed, so this is just a proposal from me and has no
> "official" status whatsoever.
> Any comments, suggestions or better ideas are very welcome.
> Feel free to send me comments off list for now, or on this
> list I guess. If there's loads of email (always possible,
> this being a process thing;-) we can move to some other list.
> Regards,
> Stephen.
> [1]