Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

[todd glassey <[e-mail]>]

On 5/8/2011 3:31 PM, todd glassey wrote:
> On 5/8/2011 3:06 PM, Bob Braden wrote:
>> I just discovered an astonishing example of misinformation, shall we 
>> say, in the IEEE electric power community. There is an IEEE standards 
>> document C37.118, entitled (you don't care) "IEEE Standard for 
>> Synchrophasors for Power Systems C37-118(TM)-2005", which is 
>> currently of great importance for the instrumentation of the national 
>> power grid. I just noticed that it references RFC 793, and for 
>> curiosity looked to see how it was referenced. I found:
>>
>>    [B8] RFC 793-1981,Transmission Control Protocol DARPA Internet 
>> Program Protocol Specification.[12]
>>
>> OK so far, except maybe for the DARPA part. Now look at footnote 12:
>>
>>    12   RFC standards are available from Global Engineering 
>> Documents, 15 Inverness Way East, Englewood, CO 80112, USA 
>> (http://global.ihs.com/).
>
> Hmmm. Does the IETF publication license allow this? the commercial 
> resale of its documents?
>
> Doesnt this also then tend to violate the intent of the IP Trust and 
> its role? One would think if anyone was to make money on republication 
> of IETF intellectual properties it was supposed to be the IETF's trust.
Try this search - but this also opens the question as to what any other 
contributor in an effort's rights to are in subsidiary publications?

http://global.ihs.com/search_res.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=2125442C5B0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B303C495A2D5B260A&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL
>
> Todd
>
>>
>> Going to that web site, you find:
>>
>> *RFC 793* *- Complete Document*
>> *Revision / Edition: 81    Chg:    Date: 09/00/81 *
>> TRANSMISSION CONTROL PROTOCOL DARPA INTERNET PROGRAM PROTOCOL 
>> SPECIFICATION
>>
>>
>> *Comments:* 	
>> *Superseding Document:* 	
>> *Page Count:* 	90
>> *In Stock:* 	Yes
>> *Hardcopy Price:* 	* $ 47.00 * 	Add to Cart 
>> <http://global.ihs.com/shopping_cart.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254C2B2E0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B30204E5B5D37220A&rid=Z56&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&mid=5280&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&item_s_key=00123981&item_key_date=180331&electronic_delivery=N&shopping_cart_action=insert&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&input_doc_title=&origin=> 
>>
>>
>>
>> and:
>>
>> Customers who purchased *RFC 793* have also purchased
>> 	EIA-748 
>> <http://global.ihs.com/doc_detail.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254C2B2E0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B30204E5B5D37220A&rid=Z56&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&mid=5280&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&input_doc_title=&item_s_key=00280332&item_key_date=920531&origin=DSSC> 
>> : EARNED VALUE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS
>> 	IETF RFC 2460 
>> <http://global.ihs.com/doc_detail.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254C2B2E0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B30204E5B5D37220A&rid=Z56&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&mid=5280&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&input_doc_title=&item_s_key=00503465&item_key_date=010031&origin=DSSC> 
>> : INTERNET PROTOCOL, VERSION 6 (IPV6) SPECIFICATION
>> 	RFC 768 
>> <http://global.ihs.com/doc_detail.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254C2B2E0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B30204E5B5D37220A&rid=Z56&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&mid=5280&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&input_doc_title=&item_s_key=00122904&item_key_date=190403&origin=DSSC> 
>> : USER DATAGRAM PROTOCOL
>> 	RFC 791 
>> <http://global.ihs.com/doc_detail.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254C2B2E0A&shopping_cart_id=2925583B2B4B30204E5B5D37220A&rid=Z56&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&mid=5280&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&input_doc_number=RFC%20793&input_doc_title=&item_s_key=00122565&item_key_date=180331&origin=DSSC> 
>> : INTERNET PROTOCOL DARPA INTERNET PROGRAM PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION
>>
>>
>> Now, it has always been IETF's (and even before there was an IETF, 
>> Jon Postel's) policy to allow people to sell RFCs. What astonishes me 
>> is that clever people in the IEEE don't know RFCs are available free 
>> online. I guess RFCs remain so counter-cultural that industrial types 
>> don't get it. I wonder how many other IEEE standards contain similar 
>> RFC-for-pay references..
>>
>> Bob Braden
>>
>>
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