Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt>

Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> Fri, 09 July 2010 17:25 UTC

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Randy, we have had at least one "researcher" sniffing passwords in plenary WiFi traffic and posting them, to embarrass people into using more secure technology. I believe he was an Ops AD at the time :-)

Agreed that personal net hygiene is the solution there.

On Jul 9, 2010, at 5:04 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

> [ fwiw, i am not bothered if some folk well-versed in such things
>  develop and put forth a policy about how the ietf treats data
>  about members, attendees, network, ... ]
> 
>> And "yes" we have researchers looking into the traffic, people storing
>> all sorts of data, etc.
> 
> we do?  about our traffic on the ietf meeting network?  stuff other than
> the _ephemeral_ data the noc ops use to manage the network?
> 
> as far as i know
> 
>  o data collection has been done very rarely.  and when it has been, it
>    has been widely announced.
> 
>  o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or
>    beijing at either of those meetings.
> 
>  o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net use
>    at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view
> 
>  o but i am sure there are wifi spies snooping and playing.  and i
>    suspect that they will not be very respectful of any policy put in
>    place.
> 
> given the latter, i focus more on prudent personal net hygene and less
> on prose.
> 
> randy
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