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Subject: Re: Problem with the draft-all aliases
From: Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org>
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> I just copied the review directly to the authors' individual =
addresses, and
> they received it fine. But obviously, something is wrong in the IETF's
> guidance to reviewers, or in the implementation of these expansion =
lists.
> The simple "exploder" function just does not work if the sender is =
left to
> the original "from" address. That exploder function is not compatible =
with
> SPF, or presumably with DMARC. Who would be a good contact to discuss
> improvements?

IIRC Glen from AMSL reads this list, in which case the message has =
already
reached the right ears.  As for possible remediation, if the lists are
implemented as local aliases(5) in the ietf.org Postfix server, then =
assigning
an "owner-" alias to the list is sufficient to avoid trouble with SPF =
and simple
forwarding should not break DKIM or DMARC.

The aliases(5) file (or its database representation) would then contain
something along the lines of:

	document.all: author1@a.example, author2@b.example
	owner-document.all: postmaster@ietf.org

--=20
	Viktor.=

