Re: The ecosystem is moving

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 13 May 2016 18:20 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:20:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: The ecosystem is moving
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/13/2016 10:32 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>
>> Why doesn't the IETF just operate an XMPP server on which IETF
>> participants can get accounts?   Layer 9, or is it just really hard?
>
> The IETF is supposed to be about interoperability.  If XMPP has on-going
> utility problems with interoperability, the IETF should look for ways to
> fix them.
>
>
Sure, but this isn't necessarily an interop problem.   As far as I can
tell, it's an operational problem: XMPP is not very popular, and there are
no good XMPP services anymore.   Used to be I could just use Google
Hangouts, but that stopped working last year.


> To date, we really only have two services that demonstrate open (ie,
> multi-administration) interoperability at Internet scale:  email and DNS.
>

TCP, IP, UDP, NFS, DHCP, TLS, SSH, FTP, HTTP, NNTP, SIP, ...

Granted, there are issues with SIP, but we actually have a lot of really
solid successes, not just SMTP, POP and DNS.


> After this many years, that's sad.


If it were true, it would be!   :)