Re: IETF WG meetings and remote participation

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Sat, 15 February 2020 21:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF WG meetings and remote participation
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Actually, all the slides can be (and should be) posted in the meeting 
materials section before the meeeting.  For the sessions I co-chair, we 
make sure to get the material posted before the meeting starts. 
Preferably enough before that people can look at them.

Having said that, I have to disagree with the claim that there is no 
need to present the material.  Reading slides is NOT the same as getting 
a decent presentation.  And more importantly, the slides help shape the 
discussion.  the remind people of context.  They frame the quesitons 
that need to be discussed.

I will admit that a significant part of the time the slides do not frame 
the discussion well.  But that is still the point.  Telling people 
"let's talk about draft foo" without framing is not useful.  And 
pretending a slide deck that was posted, but not presented, is actually 
framing the discussion is disingenuous.

Yours,
Joel

On 2/15/2020 4:45 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> Keith,
> 
> 100%.
> 
> While I always do slides to explain the idea IETF has no space to post 
> it before the meeting along with draft. Perhaps each draft should list 
> private URL with slides for those interested to look at them instead or 
> as add-on to the draft lecture itself ? Should we perhaps enhance IETF 
> submission a bit to optionally accommodate pdf slides with the draft and 
> augment IETF tools repo to provide link to those if present ?
> 
> Sending it to chairs to be posted before the meeting is already too late.
> 
> I agree slides are much lower bar then video and could be equally or 
> even more helpful.
> 
> Best,
> R.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:20 PM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com 
> <mailto:moore@network-heretics.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 2/15/20 2:41 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> 
>      > I think each draft should have a youtube video attached such that
>      > instead of wasting time to listen to one actor shows watch it before
>      > and then sped those 10-15 min to interactively discuss.
> 
>     Videos are nearly always a huge waste of time, just as presentations in
>     meetings are nearly always a huge waste of time.   If the
>     internet-draft
>     is too dense to be read in a few minutes, post the slides in advance
>     (maybe with notes), expect people to read those, and spend the
>     "presentation" time on questions-and-answers.
> 
>     Face-to-face meeting time should be devoted to *interaction*.
> 
>     Keith
> 
>