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Re: DNSSEC architecture vs reality

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Mon, 12 April 2021 22:04 UTC

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From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
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On 4/12/21 5:39 AM, Petite Abeille wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 14:25, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update.   It looks as if progress is indeed being made.   Now I wonder: what is being done to publicize DNSSEC to try to get wider adoption?
> As it stands — one has to get out of its way to find it.
>
> dnsimple has good support for it out-of-the-box:
>
> https://support.dnsimple.com/articles/dnssec/
>
> https://dnssec-analyzer.verisignlabs.com/textprotocol.com
> https://dnssec-analyzer.verisignlabs.com/textprotocol.net
>
One of the interesting revelations is that:

1) Google implemented DANE at one point in Chrome

2) Google doesn't currently sign their zone

The implication being that it wasn't a very serious effort to see what 
would happen if they don't even sign their own domain.

Mike

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