Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Thu, 12 September 2019 17:32 UTC
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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:31:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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+1 I have no comments on this. You even answered my usual question about "experiments", namely what the success criteria are. Ship it. --Richard On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:07 AM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > +1. This seems like a great idea. > > -Ekr > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:14 AM Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> > wrote: > >> As we discussed in the plenary session at IETF 105 in Montréal, some >> community members have suggested moving document last-call discussions >> onto a dedicated "last-call" mailing list, and off of the general >> <ietf@ietf.org> list. The latter is a high-volume list with a lot of >> varied discussion, and some think that it would be useful to separate >> the general discussion from the last-call discussion, to allow people >> to choose which discussions (or both) to follow. In the IETF 105 >> plenary, support was expressed for that separation. >> >> The IESG agrees, and wants to try an experiment to that end. We >> propose to create <last-call@ietf.org> and to direct last-call >> comments and discussions there (the last-call announcements would >> still go to <ietf-announce@ietf.org>, with "reply-to" set to the new >> list). That list would be monitored by volunteers recruited by the >> IETF Chair, and digressions would be nudged back to <ietf@ietf.org>, >> while we would ask people having last-call discussions on this list to >> please move them to the new list. We would get the tools team >> involved so that the distribution lists for directorate and >> review-team reviews would be updated appropriately. >> >> Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is >> subscribed to <ietf@ietf.org> at that time. Of course, anyone could >> unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think >> that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would >> miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what >> they prefer from there. >> >> After six months, we would do an initial evaluation, including getting >> feedback from the community, to see how the experiment is working. If >> it seems worth continuing we would do so, and at a point that the >> community decides that the experiment is a success (should it so >> decide), we would start an update to BCP 45 to formally move the >> location for last-call discussions, and we would update the 2007 IESG >> Statement on Last Call Guidance. >> >> We invite comments, here, on this plan, by the end of September. As I >> say above, we've heard support from the community for the general >> idea, and we'd like to make sure this direction is what the community >> wants. >> >> Barry, for the IESG >> >>
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eliot Lear
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
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