Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board
Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> Wed, 18 February 2009 14:01 UTC
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:44:27 -0500
From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 07:24:20PM -0800, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > I've made no such assumptions. I've submitted a couple of process documents > from W3C that can be modified easily to fit the IETF model. I thought John > and Steven would be satisfied with a rough draft. Sort of like Windows might > provide a model for a Linux open source program, without the actual code > being yet written. :-) Well, a key part of the W3C model is that you can't even post on a wg mailing list without you and/or your organization signing contract (I believe they require an ink signature, but I'm not 100% sure of that), or being explicitly invited by the chair as an "guest" or "invited expert", and with everyone in the wg being told that any postings from said "guest" must be treated as "unclean, unclean!" since they haven't signed the ink contract. I will not, wryly, that having a closed mailing list does solve the FSF problem, since they will no longer be able to spam our mailing lists. The question is whether the cure is worse than the disease. However, for you to say that this isn't a big deal to adapt to IETF mechanisms is handwaving --- unless you're saying that closed workgroups that require legal contracts to be signed before anyone is allowed to participate is a good thing.... ? - Ted
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Noel Chiappa
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Noel Chiappa
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Lawrence Rosen
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Noel Chiappa
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Steven M. Bellovin
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Lawrence Rosen
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Paul Hoffman
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Lawrence Rosen
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board TSG
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Steven M. Bellovin
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board TSG
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Theodore Tso
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Theodore Tso
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Christian Huitema
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board John Levine
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board ned+ietf
- Re: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Stephan Wenger
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Lawrence Rosen
- RE: Proposal to create IETF IPR Advisory Board Hallam-Baker, Phillip