Re: RFC 7169 on The NSA (No Secrecy Afforded) Certificate Extension

Al Arsenault <a.arsenault.81@gmail.com> Wed, 02 April 2014 11:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC 7169 on The NSA (No Secrecy Afforded) Certificate Extension
From: Al Arsenault <a.arsenault.81@gmail.com>
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RFC 7169 lacks a needed reference to RFC 3514.  The author should have
specified that if a certificate with the NSA extension set to "TRUE" is
used with IPsec or TLS, the Evil Bit as specified in 3514 SHOULD also be
set in any appropriate IP headers.

I would argue that this is the case even if the subject of the certificate
has no explicit evil intent. That's the best way to characterize the
system.




On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Leaf Yeh <leaf.yeh.sdo@gmail.com> wrote:

> This extension is needed on Apr. 1st.
>
> Leaf
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: IETF Disgust
> Subject: Re: RFC 7169 on The NSA (No Secrecy Afforded) Certificate
> Extension
>
> >         RFC 7169
> >         Title:      The NSA (No Secrecy Afforded)
> >                     Certificate Extension
> >         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7169.txt
>
> i do not understand why this extension is needed.  the 5eyes have all your
> keys.  the flag should always be on.  is the real intent that, when the
> extension/flag is not on in a received certificate, then you know it is
> bogus?
>
> randy
>
>