Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 05 April 2017 12:46 UTC
Return-Path: <hallam@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA3B1287A0 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 05:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.379
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.379 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.197, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L594I1Tqapzd for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 05:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oi0-x235.google.com (mail-oi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20B36127B31 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 05:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oi0-x235.google.com with SMTP id b187so13534833oif.0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 05:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:cc; bh=p2Kau6mJ33qb/0SCX4cLs8jtOvs463lAvSEwFMR8WYE=; b=m8W5IFKUbHkzFDQmzt/6fcM5dIJtNN1IpphBSEjQYZP1WIgGuDeanNdP1pA0DhL4TG f37HcnLEuEkn71m2ho7wijzR9D1b5FJ1lQl5YnnNFiiQJEqGCq7uMNWDGpfNe+uOTRw/ 4GXpR7IwbDq4pr1E2IsZPoeABB3UbQVdD7km9g5gbu9qOd82WT6IEnB6lgt5mVvRzgHa wqAvxQ8R/4lCk2nRYxoZveO57ichKumPPscUctFLiS9ruRGkxD2OV604szAazrqdrKSw lKrbyUS2egBXHzgi5J/tavJyDnE59fWRQteHx7tmDRhKvp/csNZkRR+dTnecOWHPlP+J 8wzw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=p2Kau6mJ33qb/0SCX4cLs8jtOvs463lAvSEwFMR8WYE=; b=aM6J6elTp88CrUtF/obaH3QoGnXXlXu9I1x8IbbJ1kOdSm4lSF6zJjKB+p6tNuiDPF RQrlJgFZYKgQBILF1w7pMKjZQwyReBtmwOMDYSbH27B5fwOO5D69YoKF64BWID+OM7IY hveRhHijz8twq+5FIMQwpz6eGHeQ2Gc8FoErIDNnkrmifdFsVVWoTebV9dTynnyaCcjg V0ffFAvz02jbKRHv+eWtyaIoDy/T+ePu54fVkGr4pchOqJ7gS8qun5B7WUd9YcH5Gcrq laZY+hWgs1ZkSDB6Z3SeVXYNtRqDEh/i2c11RwXxwWMF91vmD/jeIQTeSzwEE3ccWYHX KOmQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1/TvnzjMRjvAXvH8WczPIdGZl9eYZn5zmgjvxLE2GuPjSqXDY26K1xZxQMwACEDPYXYLEK4C4m3DXH1g==
X-Received: by 10.157.80.20 with SMTP id a20mr16278239oth.89.1491396400035; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 05:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Sender: hallam@gmail.com
Received: by 10.157.46.138 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 05:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <20170405113716.GA6511@gsp.org>
References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> <E67FDB14-9895-48E0-A334-167172D322DB@nohats.ca> <20170403152624.GA11714@gsp.org> <FAF82FC8-58AB-43AA-A094-280EA248E319@google.com> <20170405113716.GA6511@gsp.org>
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 08:46:39 -0400
X-Google-Sender-Auth: XExEjFZxit0PUqbAnLlvdIwGowY
Message-ID: <CAMm+LwhiqeOcOeGJX67J93_pWm1t_9DKwwFsJsQpsQhYSzGabA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
Cc: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043530a4a4bd36054c6ac8c9"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/poC0qDOWJ3kwpvWBx0OUGPr4XTU>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:46:44 -0000
The core problem here is that the Trump administration has followed through on campaign pledges to implement rules that are irrational and unpredictable. At this point in time, nobody can know for certain what the rules will be in six months time, let alone the two year planning horizon for meetings. What we face here is a situation of predictable unpredictability. In such a situation, it is necessary to always plan for the worst case scenario. That the situation 'might' be OK is irrelevant in the context of a two year planning window for a meeting costing roughly a million dollars a time.
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Carsten Bormann
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Loa Andersson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … John Leslie
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … joel jaeggli
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michal Krsek
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … nalini.elkins
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Stewart Bryant
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Fernando Gont
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michal Krsek
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Fernando Gont
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Christian Hopps
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … nalini.elkins
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Stephen Farrell
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Brian E Carpenter
- Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAOC re… Stephen Farrell
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Toerless Eckert
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAO… 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAO… Bob Hinden
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAO… Toerless Eckert
- RE: Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAO… Tobias Gondrom
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Dave Crocker
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Ted Lemon
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Aaron Falk
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Dave Crocker
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks joel jaeggli
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Eliot Lear
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks joel jaeggli
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks Dave Crocker
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Structure of IETF meeting weeks (was: Re: IAO… Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Eliot Lear
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Laurent Ciavaglia
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Bob Hinden
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Eliot Lear
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … tom p.
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Paul Wouters
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Ross Finlayson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Stewart Bryant
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Adrian Farrel
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Christian Huitema
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Sarah B
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … tom p.
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Nico Williams
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Andrew Newton
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Nico Williams
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Stephen Farrell
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Jared Mauch
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Andrew Newton
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Carsten Bormann
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Eliot Lear
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Nico Williams
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Nico Williams
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Jared Mauch
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … mike stJohns
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … james woodyatt
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … John Levine
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Jared Mauch
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Eliot Lear
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Carsten Bormann
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Christer Holmberg
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Dick Franks
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Carsten Bormann
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Stewart Bryant
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael Richardson
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … mike stJohns
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael StJohns
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Bob Hinden
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Michael StJohns
- RE: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Andrew Allen
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Benjamin Damm
- Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting … Nico Williams
- Re: [IAOC] IAOC requesting input on (potential) m… Leslie Daigle