Re: Realistic responses to DMARC

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Wed, 21 December 2016 16:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: Realistic responses to DMARC
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, IETF general list <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
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Hi Michael,


On 19/12/2016 02:11, Michael Richardson wrote:
> BUT, if their email bouncing kicks me off the list, then I will be very
> grumpy.  My spam filtering provider provides me controls to ignore p=reject
> when arriving from certain origins, but this doesn't scale well.  I'd rather
> the IETF implemented DMARC properly and rejected the email from arriving at
> the list.  Or the IETF can repudiate DMARC completely.  To me, it's the
> IESG's choice, but this sitting on the fence for four years pissed me off.



On a more serious note: IESG is discussing various options as we speak. 
I am the lead on this activity. I would ask people to give IESG a bit of 
time to finish these discussion and don't rehash the DMARC discussion 
all over again.

Best Regards,
Alexey