Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IETF ISOC Board of Trustee Appointment Procedures)
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 28 February 2016 20:19 UTC
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:19:19 -0500
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IETF ISOC Board of Trustee Appointment Procedures)
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--On Sunday, February 28, 2016 15:06 -0500 Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm always somewhat pained by toothless requirements. E.g. > what's the downside if the IAB fails propose an update, or if > they drag out the completion of the update for several years > because other things are more important? So am I. However, my pain level about toothless requirements is exceeded by my pain level about making specific requirements for the handling of unusual or edge-case situations, requirements that may not be able to anticipate all possible cases and that therefore may overreact or under-react. I'd like to believe that the community has ways to hold the IAB accountable for failing, without good reason, to do things the community told them to do. I'd also like to believe that the vast majority of the IAB takes community instructions seriously enough that those instructions will, if clear, simply be followed in the overwhelming percentage of circumstances. If that turns out to not be the case and accountability mechanisms prove necessary but ineffective in practice, and the community actually cares, the community has a much more serious problem than whether ISOC BoT members are appointed or a specific BCP is updated. john
- Re: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IET… Barry Leiba
- Re: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IET… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IET… John Levine
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IET… Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Barry Leiba
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis> (IET… Bradner, Scott
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bob Hinden
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Barry Leiba
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… John C Klensin
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bob Hinden
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… John C Klensin
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Michael StJohns
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… John C Klensin
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bob Hinden
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bob Hinden
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bradner, Scott
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Michael StJohns
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677… Bob Hinden
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Russ Housley
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Russ Housley
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-rfc3677bis… Scott O. Bradner