RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Wed, 15 August 2012 12:19 UTC

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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:16:59 -0700
Subject: RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:00 AM
> To: Eliot Lear
> Cc: John E Drake; iab@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
> 
> On 15/08/2012 07:24, Eliot Lear wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > On 8/15/12 12:03 AM, John E Drake wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?
> >>
> >
> > To me (and I speak only for me here), the purpose of this document is
> > to articulate principles that have made the Internet a success.  It
> is
> > a means to invite others to subscribe to those same principles, and
> > there are many standards organizations that do not.  Customers and
> > society can demand better, and this is an avenue for that.
> 
> I take it that John's question is really *why* do these principles need
> to be articulated in public. Perhaps the IAB should answer that, but my
> answer
> is: because there is a real danger of some SDOs, including but not
> limited to the ITU-T, breaking them for a variety of commercial or
> political reasons.

JD:  And how does this document prevent this abuse?
 
> 
>    Brian