Re: Internet 2020 Goals

[Joe Touch <[e-mail]>]

On 5/28/2014 1:32 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
> Interesting reading, but it doesn't really address the original post's
> idea.
>
> Setting some goals and a general vision is not prognostication. It's
> thinking about how you want things to be, rather than trying to guess
> what they'll be like.
>
> You might never get there, and  that's ok. But it helps upholding values
> and principles, and guides new work.
>
> It's a bit like writing science fiction.
>
> I, for one, would propose leaving past grievances in the past and to
> look towards the future.

My point still remains; the future lies with those who invent it, not 
with those who want merely to talk about it.

Absent research funds to make things happen, having the IETF - or ISOC - 
host such an exercise serves no useful purpose other than to occupy the 
time of the participants.

That being said, it's a perfect honeypot for those so inclined.

Joe

>
> Cheers!
>
> ~Carlos
>
> On 5/28/14, 1:54 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2014 1:05 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
>>> On Tue 27/May/2014 20:00:58 +0200 Joe Touch wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2014 7:15 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>>> At one time, NSF and the National Academy of Sciences used to publish
>>>>> "research agendas" for networking - when did this stop?
>>>>
>>>> It didn't, and all such reports (including 2020 visions) have had the
>>>> same amount of impact (lots of heat, but no light IMO).
>>>>
>>>> Unless the IETF is prepared to put up research money to back it up*,
>>>> making statements about the future of the Internet is unproductive
>>>> prognostication.
>>>
>>> Yet they spend some bucks on it:
>>
>> The *IETF* has not.
>>
>>> Moving towards a more robust, secure and agile Internet
>>> NSF announces $15 million in awards to develop, deploy and test future
>>> Internet architectures
>>> http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=131248&org=CISE&from=news
>>
>> The NSF and DARPA absolutely have.
>>
>> DARPA has been two-faced about it, though - on the one hand, repeatedly
>> celebrating the Internet as it's "poster" success story, on the other
>> hand undermining the entire concept of shepherding nascent ideas for the
>> 20+ years it took for the Internet to gain traction. Shame on anyone
>> from our community who attended one of these celebrations since Tether's
>> tenure there, IMO.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>