Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Sat, 06 February 2016 22:32 UTC
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:32:02 -0500
From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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[as ever in this discussion, as myself only] On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 04:17:08PM -0500, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > in IANA management might have on the IETF and on the IETF Trust - it seems that, at least for the last two IAB chairs, the > IAB chair has been the IAB point person on these topics and the chair’s direct knowledge of what has been going on has > been quite helpful I will note that this is mostly an accident: both Russ and I were already closely engaged in the IANA evolution program. I was the IANA program lead. Russ was the lucky winner of one ICG appointment from the IAB -- an appointment for which I was emphatically told by my management that I could not be a candidate, perhaps because when they agreed to fund my appointment to the IAB they had the impression that the IAB chair had to do all those additional things, instead of IAB members. I really do not think that the IANA transition is the central issue here -- either on the time-demand side, or on the plugged-in side. Others in the IAB have been quite happy to delegate attention to the IANA transition to the IANA evolution program, yet I think any of my IAB colleagues this year would have been successful chairs. Whether the IAOC would have been best served by someone who'd been paying less attention historically to IANA, however, is another question, and one the draft is intended to address. > there is a image factor - that the IAB considers the IAOC important enough to ensure that the IAOC role is part of the chair’s > task set projects a somewhat different image than having another IAB member - not a huge issue but a factor > I can see just as much an argument in the other direction -- that the IAB considers the IAOC important enough to dedicate a support program and some designated IAB member to it, instead of just having the chair inherit the duty as a matter of course. Moreover, the above again suggests that the IAB chair is special. I just don't see it. The difference between what I do today as IAB chair and what I did last year as a mere IAB member strikes me as rather little in practice; and where the differences are apparent they mostly come down to the fact that we keep pretending the chair is somehow more important than other IAB members (so, for instance, my employer is more indulgent of time commitments because I have the "chair" gold star next to my name). I'm arguing that, as an organization, we say we have a commitment to the chair not being more important. So let's act that way. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Ted Hardie
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Bob Hinden
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Ted Hardie
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Ted Hardie
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Lou Berger
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Russ Housley
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Leslie Daigle
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Ted Hardie
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… John Levine
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Ted Hardie
- IAOC != IETF Trust? [was: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-u… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Joe Hildebrand
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Jari Arkko
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Jari Arkko
- IAOC being effective (Was: Re: I-D Action: draft-… Jari Arkko
- Re: IAOC being effective (Was: Re: I-D Action: dr… John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Barry Leiba
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.t… Dave Crocker