Re: net.stewards [Re: BitTorrent (Was: Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it)]

On Sep 16, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> In message <432A92C1.5040003@zurich.ibm.com>, Brian E Carpenter  
> writes:
>
>> Michael Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perfect. And then someone with less clue decided to
>>> plant Kudzu. We have nothing to say about that?
>>>
>>
>> I just read today that kudzu extract may reduce the desire
>> for alcohol (Scientific American, 8/2005, p 17). What seems
>> evil may not always be evil.
>>
>
> Have you ever lived in the southern U.S.?  It's amazing driving  
> through
> some areas, where you see kudzu covering trees, barns, telephone  
> polls,
> and some slow-moving cows...

wow, i never heard of it but it looks very nice

http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/

greetings

>
>
>>>
>>> I know that we aren't the net.cops, but are we not
>>> net.stewards either?
>>>
>>
>> Up to a point, but there are limits to what we can do.
>>
>> We can request that the RFC Editor not publish things we think
>> are damaging. The IESG does this a few times a year. Similarly,
>> we can request that IANA not register things we think are
>> damaging, or at least to label them as potentially dangerous.
>>
>> We can publish screeds about damaging practices. The IAB does this
>> a few times a year.
>>
>> We can try to develop non-damaging solutions for requirements where
>> the easy solutions are damaging, and we can try to repair our own
>> damage (as HTTP 1.1 repairs HTTP 1.0).
>>
>> We can try to ensure that the Internet can 'route around damage' -
>> that's one of the main reasons for defending the e2e principle,
>> for example.
>>
>> But we can't prevent people from deploying solutions that we
>> didn't develop, and we shouldn't even try to IMHO.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed.  Sometimes the IETF does the initial engineering, sometimes it
> has to do garbage collection and repair, and hope that the operators
> can cope in the meantime.
>
>         --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
>
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Re: net.stewards [Re: BitTorrent (Was: Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it)]

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