Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05.txt> (Internationalized Email Addresses in X.509 certificates) to Proposed Standard
Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> Sun, 12 March 2017 21:40 UTC
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From: Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:40:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05.txt> (Internationalized Email Addresses in X.509 certificates) to Proposed Standard
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The latest draft 08 is up: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-08 The diff is: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-08.txt This draft attempts to capture Viktor's name constraint verifier logic, and illustrate the examples in the diagrams. -Wei On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> wrote: > There seems to be a consensus here and internally to the changes that > Viktor proposes. We can put that in the next draft update. > > -Wei > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:34 AM, tom p. <daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Viktor Dukhovni" <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> >> To: <spasm@ietf.org>; "IETF general list" <ietf@ietf.org> >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 3:19 AM >> > On Mar 8, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> wrote: >> > >> > Okay. I think the direction then is to have SmtpUTF8Name respect >> rfc822Name name constraints and vice versa. >> >> Well, no, the simplest proposal on the table is for SmtpUTF8Name to >> be *prohibited* when rfc822Name constraints are present and SmtpUTF8Name >> constraints are not. When both present, they can operate independently. >> >> <tp> >> >> Getting security right can be tricky as the legion of failed attempts >> that make it to RFC testify but what you are proposing here seems so >> simple, so obviously the right thing to do that I am puzzled, bewildered >> even, that anyone can disagree with you. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> The verifier logic is then: >> >> 1. If neither rfc822Name constraints nor SmtpUTF8Name constraints >> are present in any CA certificate in the chain, any mixture >> of >> rfc822Name and SmtpUTF8Name SAN elements is valid. >> >> 2. If some certificate in the chain contains *only* rfc822Name >> constraints, then these apply to rfc822Name SAN elements, but >> all SmtpUTF8Names are prohibited. >> >> 3. When both types of constraints are present in all CA certificates >> that have either type, then constraints for each SAN type are >> exclusively based on just the corresponding constraint type. >> >> 4. If some certificate in the chain contains only SmtpUTF8Name >> constraints then those are unavoidably at risk of bypass via >> rfc822Name SAN elements when processed by legacy verifiers. >> Therefore, this should be avoided, and the CA needs to >> publish rfc822Name constraints that prevent bypass. Such >> constraints *need not* be equivalent (not always possible) >> to the desired SmtpUTF8Name constraints. Rather, it suffices >> to not permit rfc822Name elements that would be prohibited >> if they were simply cut/pasted (with no A-label to U-label >> conversions) as SmtpUTF8Name elements. It is not necessary >> for these to permit everything that SmtpUTF8Name permits. >> >> Thus for example, if SmtpUtf8Name only permits addresses in the non >> NR-LDH >> domain "духовный.org <http://xn--b1adqpd3ao5c.org>" (or a specific set >> of addresses in such a domain), >> then the corresponding rfc822Name constraint could just permit "." (or >> the >> reserved "invalid" TLD if that's preferable) which is not a usable email >> domain. This ensures that only the permitted SmtpUTF8Name SANs are used >> and no rfc822Name SANs are used. >> >> If, instead the Smtp8Name constraints are excluded non-ASCII address >> forms, >> then since these have no literal rfc822Name equivalents, the rfc822Name >> constraints can be omitted with the same effect. >> >> Only when the intention is to permit NR-LDH domains with either ASCII or >> UTF-8 localparts (or an all-ASCII full address) do the rfc822Name and >> SmtpUTF8Name constraints need to be fully equivalent. This is of course >> trivial to do. Just cut/paste the same string into both types of >> constraint. >> >> -- >> Viktor. >> >> >
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John R Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
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- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… John R. Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Stephen Farrell
- RE: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Jim Schaad
- RE: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Wei Chuang
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addresses-05… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… tom p.
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang
- Re: [Spasm] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lamps-eai-addr… Wei Chuang