Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found
Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> Mon, 22 May 2023 00:15 UTC
Return-Path: <mstjohns@comcast.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713AAC13AE3E for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 21 May 2023 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.798
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URI_DOTEDU=1.999] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZrFtp4I5Hvq5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 21 May 2023 17:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from resdmta-h1p-028482.sys.comcast.net (resdmta-h1p-028482.sys.comcast.net [96.102.200.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91DB9C14F74A for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 21 May 2023 17:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from resomta-h1p-027908.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.179.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resdmta-h1p-028482.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 0t76qCfkHj6eM0tAtqiWrR; Mon, 22 May 2023 00:13:19 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1684714399; bh=3Uy10wdPqWL4ANPRdaMUQJr8KIVMIaHveHk/DzQ+oyA=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=EM+rDy3E/f5RK8MUQB3kMrINkQ89+mLXgdoHSTvZDROSonkAf03bmeDkAsHhU6tYE f/fP3tFpvA6KlHbXXwnACiLJqnFyPsaJ26CQyr8g/OoKgdKbbg5BDmOWuXgaR5lPe0 wEEeOqCVJq1FUPWzH1pZJo6zLYiGyv/SgywYT4bbKYjH6QaUfaGBuM5dZYksn8X6YX f35jQawBzWNpEj1Ul55Y1ziALNB4NSgih7QcZG+SRI/jJ6qms4mJFONYz14FpSZrvh G/wvP5YLEsGFTmNsVZlyG/EmjZFnDrrjKZFyS2hTCDg3nPX4bKauNEmj9p9nEfR6Cc rAbHSyAHK9oDA==
Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([108.31.156.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-h1p-027908.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 0tAOq9cAvSOrw0tAQqAOnm; Mon, 22 May 2023 00:12:55 +0000
X-Xfinity-VAAS: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeejtddgfeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuvehomhgtrghsthdqtfgvshhipdfqfgfvpdfpqffurfetoffkrfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucenucfjughrpegtkfffgggfuffvfhfhjgesrgdtreertdefjeenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcuufhtlfhohhhnshcuoehmshhtjhhohhhnshestghomhgtrghsthdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepjeffhfehgeejjeefffdvveevtddtleejfffhgfeiudeuueevkeekhfevuefhffdvnecuffhomhgrihhnpehmihhtrdgvughupdgrrhgthhhivhgvrdhorhhgnecukfhppedutdekrdefuddrudehiedrjeeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheplgduledvrdduieekrddurddvfegnpdhinhgvthepuddtkedrfedurdduheeirdejiedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmshhtjhhohhhnshestghomhgtrghsthdrnhgvthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehivghtfhesihgvthhfrdhorhhg
X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------o70qEKdVZc3Sp0P5ET7eTkwl"
Message-ID: <b8f9d16e-eba7-dd80-19cb-8da871923106@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2023 20:12:47 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0
Subject: Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found
Content-Language: en-US
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <5da5a46c-ac33-d5be-5ad6-b992ba6f1341@gmail.com> <A950CCFA-5ED0-4207-A80F-6DF774A0288A@strayalpha.com>
From: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
In-Reply-To: <A950CCFA-5ED0-4207-A80F-6DF774A0288A@strayalpha.com>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/q_D11K87QJhNCKsNQ0eohZWHguE>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 00:15:25 -0000
RFC1602 - published March 1994 appears to be the point at which ISOC started claiming rights in contributions. Assuming this was actually a November 1997 draft, it would be covered by the contributions language and most IPR issues shouldn't apply if someone wanted to get it published as an RFC (or reinstated as a draft as below - we really should have a copy of this in any case). All that's the sort of legalistic view. The polite thing to do would be to ask Dr Rivest and MIT to re-post it somewhere somewhat stable as suggested elsewhere. Later. Mike > Contributor agrees to grant, and does grant to ISOC, a > perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free, world-wide right > and license under any copyrights in the contribution to > reproduce, distribute, perform or display publicly and > prepare derivative works that are based on or incorporate > all or part of the contribution, and to reproduce, > distribute and perform or display publicly any such > derivative works, in any form and in all languages, and to > authorize others to do so. On 5/21/2023 6:57 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > There was a time before when draft copyright was assigned to the ISOC. > > I don’t recall the date, but this seems prior. > > Joe > >> On May 21, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Brian E Carpenter<brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Is there any reason why draft-rivest-sexp-00.txt cannot be reinstated to the datatracker? This has been done in the past with "lost" I-Ds. >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >>> On 22-May-23 06:34, John Levine wrote: >>> It appears that Marc Petit-Huguenin<marc@petit-huguenin.org> said: >>>> -=-=-=-=-=- >>>> -=-=-=-=-=- >>>> -=-=-=-=-=- >>>> >>>> https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/Sexp.txt is no longer reachable. This is a document I use often in my work so I'd like to have a more stable reference, like an Informational RFC. >>>> >>>> Is there any interest in trying to do that? >>> The Internet Archive says it was last seen over a year ago in January 2022. >>> I concur with the suggestion to get MIT to resuscitate it, but in the meantime, >>> here's a copy that's not going away any time soon: >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20220113221331/https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/Sexp.txt >>> R's, >>> John
- Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found John C Klensin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found John Levine
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Michael Richardson
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Joe Touch
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Salz, Rich
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Scott Bradner
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Michael StJohns
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Donald Eastlake
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Scott Bradner
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Salz, Rich
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found John Levine
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found John Levine
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found John C Klensin
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Donald Eastlake
- Re: Rivest's S-Expressions I-D no longer found Donald Eastlake