Re: IETF Hackathon at IETF 92, March 21-22, Dallas, TX

Warren Kumari <> Wed, 25 February 2015 18:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF Hackathon at IETF 92, March 21-22, Dallas, TX
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Melinda Shore <> wrote:
> On 2/25/15 8:04 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>> But the expectation that someone will approach you is kind of absurd.
> That's nonsense, Ted.  Nobody's saying "You didn't approach *me*".
> What we're saying is that there are questions about where the list
> of technologies came from, particularly given that 1) they're for
> the most part technologies that have not been adopted as IETF
> deliverables, and 2) they appear more aligned with Cisco's efforts
> than with anything the IETF is doing.  If Cisco wants to have a
> Cisco hackathon coinciding with an IETF meeting, awesome, but
> let's not pretend this is an IETF event.
> Who's paying for the room, the network, the food, the ... ?
> I think an *IETF* hackathon is a great idea.  But between the
> extremely late scheduling and the really weird content, this looks
> like kind of a mess.  Might have made more sense to wait until
> summer, give the thing a better chance of success because of
> better planning.

Yup - I initially stuck up for the idea, and still think that the
*idea* is a good one, but I'm becoming worries about the execution.
The announcement page has a link to a "discussion forum", which
required me hunting down my login.

I was hoping for more details there, but no luck...

I am still glad that someone is organizing this (flawed though it
might be), but I'd like to understand:
1: *who* exactly is organizing this? (Is it Cisco? The IETF? A joint thing?)
2: If the IETF getting sponsorship for this?
3: How are the projects being chosen? And by whom?
4: Is this under Note Well? Does Cisco own any IPR generated? Or the
IETF? or individuals?
5: This says it is being done at the Fairmont, and I'm assuming there
will be a need for network. Have the organizers arranged for this?
(Hint: I don't think the NOC team has heard anything about this...)


> Melinda

I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.