Re: Updating BCP 10 -- NomCom ELEGIBILITY

John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Fri, 13 February 2015 15:12 UTC

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From: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Subject: Re: Updating BCP 10 -- NomCom ELEGIBILITY
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Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> 
> We disagree.  Many people tell us (on the IAOC surveys) that the most
> important thing that happens at IETF meetings is the hallway
> conversations.  It is a significant part of the culture.

   Since Russ is no longer my boss, I'll pick a bone here.

   I have participated in these "hallway conversations" -- and while
they are most helpful to relative newbies, I have found them less
necessary as I became more familiar with IETF lore. They always had
a certain amount of "blind-men-and-the-elehant" to them anyway. :^(

   But regardless, if "hallway conversations" are important, why
aren't we finding a way to accomplish this value over the 'net (and
more than three times a year)?

   IMHO, the "most important thing" about IETF weeks is that they
impose deadlines for _something_ to happen.

--
John Leslie <john@jlc.net>