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Re: [Ietf-honest] It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the "Ietf-honest"mailing list])

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Tue, 10 February 2009 07:00 UTC

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:54:52 -0700
From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Subject: Re: [Ietf-honest] It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the "Ietf-honest"mailing list])
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On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 08:56:01PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Randy Presuhn wrote:
> 
> > Subscribing someone to a list and not allowing them to remove
> > themselves...  seems like a page from the same "win friends and
> > influence people" checklist as the fsf campaign seems to be using.  :-(
> 
> Only IETF officials are told not to unsubscribe.

Your attitude is appalling. You subscribe a lot of very busy people to 
a list without their permission and without knowing whether they have 
any interest in said list, then force them to take a few minutes to 
unsubscribe. Multiply by dozens or hundreds of people and you've wasted
some significant man-hours. A simple invitation would have sufficed.

Perhaps you might spend some quality time with RFC 1855?

Peter

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