Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 21 October 2021 19:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits
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> Brian Carpenter wasn't an AD unless it was before 1989 so at least a 15 year gap.

For the record, I was never an AD (before becoming General AD in 2005)
but I had served for far too long in the IAB (1994-2002)**. So, a 3 year
gap between the two. Which I for one was very happy with.

I also served as a WG Chair while in the IAB, which was a feature
not a bug IMHO. Of course, if an appeal related to that WG had come to
the IAB, I would have needed to recuse myself.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

** If anyone cares at this late stage, I refused re-nomination in 2001
and 2006.

On 22-Oct-21 07:33, Salz, Rich wrote:
> With Mike's corrections and cutting off the limit at pre-1996 because the structure changed, we get:
> 
> Lars was Transport AD until 2011; 10 years.
> Aliisa was ART AD until 2017, no gap.
> Jari was Internet AD until 2012; one year.
> Russ was Security AD until 2007; no gap
> Brian Carpenter wasn't an AD unless it was before 1989 so at least a 15 year gap.
> Harald was Ops AD until 1999 so two year gap.
> Fred Baker wasn't an AD before 1989 so at least a six year gap.
> 
> Or, 10 0 1 0 infinite 2 inifinite ?
> 
> I don't see how you can make a compelling argument that AD->IETF Chair must not have a gap year.
> 
>