Re: FWIW: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07.txt to Proposed Standard

Thierry Moreau <thierry.moreau@connotech.com> Tue, 10 February 2009 14:39 UTC

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I agree with Brian and Marshall, but let me introduce a different 
perspective on the issue.


Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> [...]
> 
> I don't see any sensible way you get from the [Brian interprtetation] to the  
> [FSF interpretation].
> 

Maybe it's a matter of ideological objection to patents. Engineering is 
not always rational, ideology sneaks in in various ways, sometimes under 
the name ethic.

So you see a bunch of instantaneous IETF volunteers who whish to bring a 
consensus based on some form of ethic (as they see it, I presume). What 
can the IETF do? Is there some obscure provision in IETF processes that 
can turn down participation based on manifest ideological grounds that 
do not resist analysis from another perspective?

Incidentally, it is intriguing to see the FSF deeply rooted in the 
Copyright foundation (Berne convention) for ensuring legal protection of 
intellectual property, and at the same time so ideologically opposed to 
the patent foundation (Paris convention). But at this point, it becomes 
useless to argue with them about patents.

Some form of procedural integrity should be sought by the IETF if there 
is anything to be salvaged after being victimized by instantaneous 
volunteering based on ideological grounds.

Good luck!


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