Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 13 June 2021 23:57 UTC
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 19:55:38 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy
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--On Sunday, 13 June, 2021 20:58 +0200 Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > On 2021-06-13, at 19:47, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> > wrote: >> >> Would we really, really, want >> questions about variations on SMTP addressed to me in 2021? > > But would you have opted in? That is where I might not be typical enough to make a good example. I seem to suffer from an odd, perhaps pathological, sense of responsibility where the Internet is concerned.and sp the answer to your question is "probably", especially if things were set up so that the alternates to my signing up were people tracking me down anyway (see Ned's note) or inquiries going to somewhere other than a set or ADs who were enthused about the mob. > The only situation where easier access to the authors might be > construed harmful is where the WG or IESG had to hamstring the > author in order to obtain an acceptable outcome. Private > conversation with the author might not benefit from that > influence. This may be just a quibble, but there is a rather large difference between "author puts something into a document on the nistrutions of a WG with which they disagree" and "need to hamstring or otherwise torture". Depending on the circumstances and personality of the author, "might not benefit" might set it well before the authors needed to be subject to physical harm. > But that is true for any kind of contact with the author, and > a lot of people do find my email address in RFCs I have > co-authored and manage to send email to that. > > So with all the horror scenarios of people outside the IETF > actually talking to authors, I still think this is a net win. I agree with Ned and his explanation of why the balance we have today is just about right. best, john
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- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Keith Moore
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Lloyd W
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John Levine
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Bron Gondwana
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Carsten Bormann
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Aqua Q Glass
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy ned+ietf
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Adam Roach
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Carsten Bormann
- RE: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Larry Masinter
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Scott Bradner
- Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy Spencer Dawkins at IETF