Re: IPv10.
Michal Krsek <michal@krsek.cz> Sun, 13 November 2016 01:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: IPv10.
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Working in organisation who is submitting proposals into those EU initiatives for about 20 years I can say: Keep working on IPv6 deployment and do not use those as argument to stop working on IPv6. Michal P.S: Some of NGI/NGN (specially for video) mean: let's do brilliant new IPv4 P.P.S: Some of NGI/NGN mean: let's do circuit switching (sometimes over http over IPv4 :-) ) On 13/11/2016 10:25, Peter Tattam wrote: > While I have yet to see any fleshy details, it does sound similar to > my idea which got thrown out (IPv6 targets direct from IPv4 using > header options and not tunnelling) I believe I still have a bet to > collect regarding IPv6 uptake though ;) Peter > > On Sun., 13 Nov. 2016 at 8:51 am, Brian E Carpenter > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I believe it can all be safely ignored, but it does seem like a silly > waste of resources that they bother to work on it at all. > > Regards > Brian > > On 13/11/2016 09:40, Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] wrote: > > The next one to look into is the new NGI initiative of the European > > Commission to start working on new Internet protocols, although > this is just > > research, after the failure of the Future Internet research > program and GENI > > in the US (though Openflow was funded at Stanford) so not really > a threat > > but could be used to put some sanity in researchers in quest of > inventing > > something new :-) > > > > > https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/next-generation-internet-initi > > ative > > > > https://twitter.com/NGI4eu > > > > Latif > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > <mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Latif LADID > > [IPv6-based Internet] > > Sent: 12 November 2016 21:27 > > To: 'Scott O. Bradner' <sob@sobco.com <mailto:sob@sobco.com>>; > 'IETF discussion list' > > <ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>> > > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > > Subject: RE: IPv10. > > > > The IETF/3GPP endorsement agreement can be used to stop them as > it clearly > > states that ETSI should not be involved in IETF work but just > endorse it. > > > > Latif > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@sobco.com <mailto:sob@sobco.com>] > > Sent: 12 November 2016 21:06 > > To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>> > > Cc: Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] <latif@ladid.lu > <mailto:latif@ladid.lu>>; ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > > Subject: Re: IPv10. > > > > but consistent? > > > > Scott > > > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Brian E Carpenter > > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com > <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Latif, > >> > >> On 12/11/2016 20:17, Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] wrote: > >>> Jon Postel will swizel in his grave if v10 is not assigned by > IANA first. > >>> Let's not confuse the market. A working group at ETSI has been > formed > >>> 6 months ago called NGP ( Next Gereation Protocols) lashing at > v4 and > >>> v6 to invent a new one. > >> > >> How incredibly foolish of them. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> Also the ITU will jump on this one to occupy the v10 space :-) > >>> > >>> Latif > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > <mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Brian E > >>> Carpenter > >>> Sent: 12 November 2016 02:43 > >>> To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com <mailto:randy@psg.com>> > >>> Cc: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com > <mailto:eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>>; ipv6@ietf.org > <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>; > >>> ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org> > >>> Subject: Re: IPv10. > >>> > >>> On 12/11/2016 14:15, Randy Bush wrote: > >>>>> Right now it seems that you have got a solution proposal for a > >>>>> problem, that is IMHO not very clearly described. > >>>> > >>>> how about ipv4 and ipv6 are incompatible on the wire and this has > >>>> created a multi-decade ipv6 charlie foxtrot? > >>> > >>> Yes, I suggest mentioning that to Vint, Bob and a few others > in 1977, > >>> so that they can design IPv4 with extensible addresses. People in > >>> 2016 will be grateful. > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > >>> ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > >>> Administrative Requests: > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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