Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options
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> At 2:30 PM +0200 9/28/04, Eliot Lear wrote: > > Just to be clear, I trust the leadership to decide better than I > > can. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a day job that > > has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with IETF governance. I'd > > like to have the time to go over all this fun stuff, but even if I > > did I'd rather spend it pestering some CEOs as to how they would > > structure such organizations(s) for success. I prefer to think of > > myself as an engineer, not an MBA. > Fully agree. I agree as well. > At 10:44 AM -0400 9/28/04, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > If the community refuses to participate actively in these decisions, > > I guess that the IETF leadership will be forced to decide what to do > > without active community input. But, I fear that we would make a > > poorer decision than we would with full community involvement and > > input. > Fully disagree. > For one thing, many of us are not "refusing to participate actively": > we responded to the poll saying we aren't expressing a preference. > That is active and, in my mind, more constructive than expressing an > opinion based on little understanding and even less commitment to > follow through. Most of us have been in WGs where someone will have a > strongly-held opinion based on reading the intro and TOC of a draft > and some of the messages that have gone to the list so far; most of > us know how much weight to give those opinions. Paul, I agree 100% with this assessment. I personally have a slight preference for scenario O, but it isn't strong enough to vote for it. And more to the point, I don't believe I have enough experience to form a competent strong opinion on this matter. And this is coming from someone who has for many years been and continues to be actively involved in other nonprofits. I guess I know enough to know how little I know... Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options John C Klensin
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Eliot Lear
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Eliot Lear
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options ned.freed
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- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Dave Crocker
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Leif Johansson
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Kai Henningsen
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Eliot Lear
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options John C Klensin
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Eliot Lear
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options John C Klensin
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- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Eliot Lear
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- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Dave Crocker
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Dean Anderson
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Dave Crocker
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- RE: isoc's skills Tony Hain
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Scott W Brim
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Scott W Brim
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Randy Presuhn
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Dean Anderson
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Kai Henningsen
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Kai Henningsen
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Florian Weimer
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Florian Weimer
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Florian Weimer
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Florian Weimer
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Simon Josefsson
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Paul Vixie
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: Shuffle those deck chairs! Brian Rosen
- RE: Shuffle those deck chairs! RL 'Bob' Morgan
- RE: Shuffle those deck chairs! Brian Rosen
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- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Pekka Savola
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Eric S. Raymond
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Michael Richardson
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! Dean Anderson
- Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! shogunx
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- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Dave Crocker
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Kai Henningsen
- Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options Dave Crocker
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