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Re: Agenda Denial Was: tone policing

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 10 September 2019 18:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: Agenda Denial Was: tone policing
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 9/10/19 2:21 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com 
> <mailto:moore@network-heretics.com>> wrote:
>>> Tone policing not exactly unknown in IETF but the strategy of 
>>> poisoning a debate by being disruptive is much more common.
>>
>> So is accusing well-intended people of bad intention.
>>
> This is an example of tone-policing as a form of agenda denial. 
>  Because Phil used the term “poisoning,” this gave Keith an 
> opportunity to respond to what Phil had said as if it were an 
> accusation, and not merely a factual observation.  And so now we are 
> talking about Phil attacking Keith, instead of talking about how to 
> have good discussions in the IETF.
>
> :(

Because citing examples of harmful communication cannot possibly be 
relevant to a discussion of how to have good discussions.

Keith

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