Re: Strong objection to draft-ietf-WG-*.all noise levels

Robert Sparks <> Fri, 06 March 2015 21:48 UTC

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Hi Wes -

The pages that show you the alias expansions are available now (since 
version 5.11.1).

<> for the whole set,
and, for instance,
if you're interested in a single draft.

Similarly for groups, look at
and, for example,

The documentation describing what the aliases are supposed to contain 
will be reachable from any of those pages in an upcoming release, and we 
will be looking for other places to put it to make it easy to find.

We are also continuing to work on improving the issues that started the 
threads sharing the Subject of this message at a high priority.


On 3/6/15 9:18 AM, George, Wes wrote:
> While I'm poking dead threads... What's the ETA for these pages? Info
> still isn't present at the URL below, which sounded like was something the
> secretariat should be able to do independent of the next datatracker
> release schedule.
> Thanks,
> Wes
> On 2/11/15, 12:24 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz" <>; wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> On 2015-02-11 18:11, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> On 2/11/2015 8:52 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>> The aliases that are created currently are as follows (except that
>>>> aliases that have empty expansions are not created):
>>> ...
>>> Besides the email you just sent, where is this documented?
>> We're working on both help pages for the aliases with this information,
>> and pages that will let your search/inspect the generated aliases.  They
>> will be part of the next datatracker release.
>>> A newbie  should be able to easily learn of these addresses and where
>>> they go.
>>> At a minimum, I suggest replicated the relevant parts of the text you
>>> just sent on the page:
>> Sound reasonable, I guess.  I'll Bcc the secretariat on this email.
>> Regards,
>>        Henrik
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