Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt>

With all due respect the geopriv held experiment at ietf71 could have been done anywhere, and had no impact on participants who were not involved in them.

I have zero interest in building process that might impede the activity of people conducting protocol experiments that occur effectively in isolation.

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On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM, "Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:

> Randy, 
> 
> this privacy policy effort is not a means to put someone in the spotlight because a mistake has been made. 
> 
> I think it is good that we do all sorts of experiments with the IETF network and use it for research purposes. 
> 
> Still, if someone wants to do their tests then they should do it in an open and transparent fashion and tell people what they do. The writeup should then contain information like
> * what data is collected
> * what is the purpose
> * how long is it stored
> * how is responsible 
> * how does the opt-in procedure work
> 
> It would also be nice to hear the results of the effort afterwards as well. 
> 
> Without listing other persons efforts I would like to mention the location server experiment a few of us did from the GEOPRIV working group. I don't recall anymore how we announced it and what we said in our announcement (it was a few years ago already) but a document like the one written by Alissa would have helped us. Richard Barnes might remember the details.  
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
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>> Datum: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:28:43 +0900
>> Von: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
>> An: "Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>
>> CC: ietf@ietf.org
>> Betreff: Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt>
> 
>>>>> And "yes" we have researchers looking into the traffic, people storing
>>>>> all sorts of data, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> we do?  about our traffic on the ietf meeting network?  stuff other
>> than
>>>> the _ephemeral_ data the noc ops use to manage the network?
>>> 
>>> Yes, the IETF meeting network. 
>> 
>> cites, please.
> 
> Remember the discussion about the RFID experiment, the location server experiment, 
>> 
>>>>  o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or
>>>>    beijing at either of those meetings.
>>> 
>>> I don't know. There is no central place where I could lookup any of
>>> this info. 
>> 
>> but you suspect the worst?  i am on the noc ops team.  you can trust my
>> statement or not.
> 
> I don't suspect anything. I believe it is good if people use the network for all sorts of tests, if they tell us what they do. 
> 
> 
>> 
>>>>  o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net
>> use
>>>>    at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view
>>> 
>>> Maybe boring for you. 
>>> Some consider it a very large WLAN network, some others test their
>>> favorite tunneling technology with it, etc.
>> 
>> that is not gathering data on others' use of the network.
>> 
>> randy
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