Re: [121attendees] Re: [Alldispatch] Results of the ALLDISPATCH Experiment (Was: Results and report of the IETF 121 post-meeting survey)

"StJohns, Michael" <msj@nthpermutation.com> Mon, 02 December 2024 01:44 UTC

Return-Path: <msj@nthpermutation.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55DC14F701 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 1 Dec 2024 17:44:56 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.907
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nthpermutation-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uuB3bFQg7aPC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 1 Dec 2024 17:44:55 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD71EC14F614 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 1 Dec 2024 17:44:55 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5d0e75dd846so968606a12.3 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 17:44:55 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nthpermutation-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1733103894; x=1733708694; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=26ZC9yE1OytPDL6u9t0D78RUAOyt8yDziaorgIhiqpI=; b=NPpOiSaLhPo6uK/y7O7Kd6Ti5DbCO2bKhLp/4azaZue1DBSv4KzBu4Z0q5z6MxprAg aU3wf7JSqFO85SUFqqMIQOPUxBps830cUYURpJdOzkYS+PzyYskJoUp8EYErhzqP7mlq GfpkMx83EoOazXQd9bRGPBZ7Zfl2Yw4KRlhSG8+XBtlVQaCHnLupdOliJXeHk2kQUMHk P+LzAGWyGqMUlO5lLk/T5GQK/aYhhbbkK8lYUeM0W4uHkARUdiN5tfI9ADJpvRHsDjgW Xcb4T8F/b8maFaNk/cSj/Tg8bNUV6w/jCycGzvpsy16HpY/e+PPtT9Wl5YELFz8MGPKP uNZg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733103894; x=1733708694; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=26ZC9yE1OytPDL6u9t0D78RUAOyt8yDziaorgIhiqpI=; b=w8dWjnpQPrmYe0/kVbIDuGMP0MRZaXZ0/JsYfWVd+ORroh4HAFJRlWi8cr1vm90C+M EVNaTxUgVq//0WWzQ1pHuGTHZXo+E0yMnF1xBMQgnK7J1NUfE5LSd+3KiLKL2otmZbj7 9F25jOHHZc44wAy7KIAApnjKdaVep2fMdIwqzQ+wFyC/swnz9Ij863EE98OnDLQTcXAV Is0dZu0uDFUXEkBexcgDHzo8VcxT9tHtUOzQjvCsgVQ5RUv2yh4vEYL6XCirbvAG0iot 7zihr9lN4TkX9sHfYv6PNp+XsYoKind4IrSLjIMlsZLYWg0VC9v0yE69kg78owirG7of AWLg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwmqZNYPPOvEzC7Em5uKHQaM8aRZmPpAmOwJ2s7SgQMExLsKP/B uGGYHOe2broD9ZRZvzxE4zXJtgDGgmv9NSMzavNWJGUlXEoLFLhBN7eQ9n9Kgqzs5XLWfx73LGK 2mwGxEu/zIHvvCc5Sbe+Uj7ZPusouBmp7UZoGdw==
X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctH20t2wj6onG9ZoP89BujhSEhti++ZFakCCCOoSez7mr5DN1YXRC3W+XGFULf WIlXpzTJEQpIcTRyEVDxaq7W+Uub4ue6zF07hJf97N7DgFjQWu/9SdAxEdSGuPKC39w==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE63ZarhnBxMfy520WPs6e/IAfYPyxqKYyFo4QHaGBbjljGZR/Jc50cn0w2r4ydiVeXq67lWIebNNQBq/nT91s=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:42c9:b0:5d0:c098:69 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5d0c09802c4mr11057261a12.16.1733103893513; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 17:44:53 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <3531F6C8-D88D-4627-AE2F-748E5A622CB8@ietf.org> <E728E1EC-65F1-4114-8E2F-51388F93B363@episteme.net> <89C3241E-A7DC-41C1-91AA-CA7CAA3EF75B@mnot.net> <55BFF3F5-9A20-4F37-8762-4AEB3B6871DA@cs.ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <55BFF3F5-9A20-4F37-8762-4AEB3B6871DA@cs.ucla.edu>
From: "StJohns, Michael" <msj@nthpermutation.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 20:44:42 -0500
Message-ID: <CANeU+ZC=-rPTkm7zxmpbMof5bacJg0itDd+a-GjA_oG-9cODtg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [121attendees] Re: [Alldispatch] Results of the ALLDISPATCH Experiment (Was: Results and report of the IETF 121 post-meeting survey)
To: Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eea3b306283fb189"
Message-ID-Hash: 3JWYJ4CJNRSGJGKNQ6NNZLPJSU7ZR26X
X-Message-ID-Hash: 3JWYJ4CJNRSGJGKNQ6NNZLPJSU7ZR26X
X-MailFrom: msj@nthpermutation.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-ietf.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: ietf@ietf.org, alldispatch@ietf.org, 121attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/rlkRq2EHo6QsheGseMGy5PxBO6A>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:ietf-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:ietf-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-leave@ietf.org>

Given that doing a dispatch during a meeting means that no progress will be
made on a given topic until the next meeting…. Sort of….    Would it make
any sense to move the dispatch sessions to interim virtual sessions at
least a month before a given meeting date?

Mike

On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 20:22 Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:

> after going through all the exchanges on the topic, I'd like to second the
> Mark's following 2 suggestions,
> - one technical dispatch covering all areas
> - keep it separate from progress/operation discussions.
>
> my 2 cents, Lixia
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot=
> 40mnot.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Personally - I think that combining DISPATCH (what used to be Applications
> I mean ART I mean WIT) and SECDISPATCH makes sense, because there's a lot
> of overlap.
>
> GETDISPATCH, however, is a somewhat different beast. Discussions about how
> to change our process and similar things need more iteration, and are more
> appropriate (IMO) in something like a GENAREA WG. Lumping them in with
> technical proposals leads to a lack of consideration in discussion.
>
> Just my .02.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 121attendees mailing list -- 121attendees@ietf.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to 121attendees-leave@ietf.org
>