Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Fri, 16 April 2021 08:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous
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On 16/04/2021 02:17, scott wrote:
>
>>> Maybe one thing that could be done is to have a set of things that
>>> newbies can do to participate that are likely to be taken very
>>> favorably. What author doesn't like somebody who's gone through your
>>> ID with a fine tooth comb for nits, bad grammar, unclear text, etc and
>>> especially from fresh eyes from the perspective of a potential
>>> implementer, for example. Everybody would win in that situation. Their
>>> naivety is a huge benefit.
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> "What author doesn't like somebody who's gone through your ID with a
> fine tooth comb for nits, bad grammar, unclear text, etc and especially
> from fresh eyes from the perspective of a potential
> implementer, for example."
>
> This is what I tried when I first came over from NANOG after reading
> 'ops folks come on over to IETF' emails there.  Not everyone wants
> that.  I was told 'that's what the RFC editor is for.  Do you have any
> valuable input?'  Paraphrasing...  Since then I have been a lurker just
> because I want to learn.

It varies a lot with the Working Group.  Yes, there are some closed 
shops, usually those producing one or a limited number of I-D, who 
resent anyone else daring to comment on their perfect product, even if 
the person concerned has been around a few decades and authored many RFC.

There are others, usually engaged in mass production, who thank you for 
pointing out that 'maybe' and 'perform' are being misused.

Rather than diving in with comments, ask if they are wanted.  e-mail the 
WG Chair - and that is an important first lesson, what is a Chair, what 
do they do and what do they not do uin the IETF, and again, it varies 
widely, and ask the Chair, such as I have been looking through 
draft-ietf and notice some unfamiliar usage, would you like me to post 
it to which the answer may be a link to Github at which point abandon 
that WG and try another- or not, depending on your background:-)

How do you join any group anywhere that has been around a while, is 
task-oriented and has created its own norms which you have no way of 
finding out about?  Again the fact that the e-mail history is accessible 
is a great help, but only people know of it.

HTH

Tom Petch










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