Re: SMTP RFC: "MUST NOT" change or delete Received header

Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Mon, 31 March 2014 00:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: SMTP RFC: "MUST NOT" change or delete Received header
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On Mar 30, 2014, at 6:44 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> Whether one accepts it or not, "been here already" tests are not
> about debugging.  They are about loop detection and DoS attacks.

Are there MTAs that make use of the Received: header for loop detection?