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Re: A contribution to ongoing terminology work

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 02 April 2021 21:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: A contribution to ongoing terminology work
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:06:16 +1300
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Keith,

On 03-Apr-21 09:27, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 4/2/21 3:43 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> 
>> while I think that the ability to express differing opinions is an important part of the openness that creates the IETF, we need to remember that this is not by itself an absolute value, but serves a purpose: enable productive discourse.
>>
>> The two “Les White” drafts weren’t humor, they were intended to incite discord, not foster discourse.
> 
> Respectfully, I interpreted them differently.   (And I would prefer it 
> if we didn't accuse others of ill intent without having considerable 
> supporting evidence.)

Indeed. Judging "intent" is very difficult except in the most egregious cases. It's much easier to judge offensiveness: if a reasonable number of people are offended, it's offensive, whatever the intent. FWIW, I found the "Les White" drafts pretty offensive, and unprofessional, even if I could discern a satirical aspect.

    Brian

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