Re: "professional" in an IETF context

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Mon, 01 November 2021 18:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: "professional" in an IETF context
To: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>, ietf@ietf.org
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Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>>> And the goal should be to prevent IETF perform meaningless 
>>> engineering such as development of stupid protocols, including but
>>> not limited to, IPv6 and LISP.
>
>> Now THIS seems like a living example of something that is both 
>> unprofessional AND uncivil.
>
> Thank you very much for clarifying that requiring to be "professional"
> or "civil" means prohibiting fair criticism against poor engineering
> results.
I can't speak to LISP (other than the language, which is just plain 
brilliant).  But a lot of good engineering went into IPv6 (speaking as 
an outside observer) - calling it "meaningless" and "stupid" is both 
uncivil and unprofessional - certainly in print.  (In a design review, 
in context, "that's just plain moronic, on the face of it" - might be 
considered both civil, and professional).

Miles Fidelman



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