Re: So, where to repeat?

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Tue, 07 August 2012 17:22 UTC

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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
To: Margaret Wasserman <mrw@lilacglade.org>
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat?
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I'd strongly prefer the IETF to focus on going to places where we get
work done and where costs can be controlled.
I'd prefer to avoid tourist destinations to some extent even if they are
not more expensive, but definitely if they are.
I want to present a professional image to my clients and I want to go to
IETf meetings with people who are there to get work done, not to tour.

So, for US meetings I agree with the following:


>    [RS> ] +1 and no employer ever argued that going to Minneapolis was a
>    boondoggle.  The Hilton in Minneapolis  of all the IETF meetings I ve
>    attended has the most optimal layout of meeting rooms etc.
     
>    If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
>    choice IMHO.  It's very reasonably priced, easy for many to get to and the
>    hotel has adequate space for us (even back when we had many more
>    attendees).  Personally, the weather is not critical to me, since I spend
>    the vast majority of my time in the hotel meeting rooms, so I'm very happy
>    if we meet there in March and November.