Re: Registration details for IETF 108

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 19:16 UTC

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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:16:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
To: Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:23 AM Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:

>
> > On May 31, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ......
> > On the substance (and partly in response to SM) I know that participants
> have had to cover IETF meeting costs since 1992, and presumably longer, so
> I don't find this shocking. But for the longer term, we do need to think
> about how this interacts with the goal of "any interested person can
> participate in the work, know what is being decided, and make his or her
> voice heard" [RFC3935].
> >
> > Regards
> >    Brian
>
> a few observations following Brian's above comments as food for thought:
>
> 1/ organizing IETF meetings, in person or online, incurs cost.
>
> 2/ if this cost needs to be covered by meeting participants: this
> conflicts with "any interested person can participate in the work" for free.
>
> 3/ for academic conferences: online conf. registration is so much lower
> now (e.g. one used to be $700/person, now $100/person), plus no travel
> cost, this makes it a lot more more affordable, potentially attract a
> higher attendance.
>
> 4/ as a central principles of the IETF, people participate as individuals,
> not representatives of their companies, this seems to argue for
> consideration of moving meeting registration fees, or more general IETF
> participation fees, towards a model as personal professional cost (e.g.
> IEEE or ACM membership fees), of course only if it can be made affordable.
> (I didnt have time to follow all exchanges but do wonder whether the
> $230/person reg. fee can be reduced)
>
> bottom line: it is so unfortunate there is no free lunch. C19 pandemic
> brought the issue on the table: We cannot have both "everyone can
> participate" and "for free" in the same sentence.
>
>
I agree.
I find the fee as proposed to be too high and unjustifiable especially for
people who can not get the fee reimbursed.
There should be a different way to do this.

Regards,
Behcet

> my 2 cents,
> Lixia
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