Re: Last Call: <draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-12.txt> (Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs) to Best Current Practice
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Tue, 31 May 2016 16:09 UTC
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Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 12:09:08 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis-12.txt> (Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs) to Best Current Practice
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--On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:08 -0400 Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: > Hi, John. Thanks for the review, and no worries that it's > "late"; I'd rather get this right. Thanks. > I thought that what you're asking for is covered by very > strongly pressing for instructions/guidance to the designated > expert(s), and I'm very happy to expand that text to be more > clear about some of the variations that guidance might take. > I'd much prefer that to any attempt at multiple versions of > expert review, because I think that any number of those we > come up will will engender others that other people will think > of, and there'll be too many. > > Rather, if we talk more about the things to consider in > guiding the DE, I think we'll be in a better place. If you > give me your opinion on whether you think that's a good path > and could resolve your concern, I'll work on text to try out. I had thought about another category, perhaps Expert Review Type 1 and Expert Review Type 2 for two reasons. One is that "expert decides" is really different from "expert process advises in getting an adequate specification together, but the final decision to register lies with the applicant. That is a little like Expert Review, a little like Specification Required, but, because the expert does not have the final word, is a bit like FCFS as well. Your section 4.12 covers alternative options reasonably well (I'm trying to be careful about not letting a desire for perfection block progress here) but not mixtures of them. The second is that I, and I know at least some others, have a far too large collection of scars from situations in which a BCP was issued on a "this is often helpful and you should do it unless you have a reason to do something else and are clear what you are doing" basis and then turned, a few years later, into a rigid requirement that was inescapable in the absence of very strong IETF consensus determined after an energy-sapping battle. Prior versions of "Writing IANA Considerations..." and RFC 2119 have been the most obvious sets of guidelines treated that way, but there have certainly been others. Doing whatever is needed with better guidance to the Experts may solve the first problem (but only if it can be made clear that it is ok for WGs (or equivalent) to specify situations in which the experts get to advise and persuade to the best of their ability but have no (or extremely narrow) authority to reject anything) but probably does not address the second, especially in the presence of the very strong guidance about using one of the listed methods I cited in my earlier note. I'm happy to try to study -14 and suggest text, but it won't be today. best, john
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