Re: [e-mail] is a failure

[Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

I'm not sure how the desire for IETF Last Call discussions
to be on a dedicated and constrained mailing list in any way
implies that this generalized and unconstrained list is somehow a failure.

Filtering by subject line is unreliable.
For example, please provide a filter that will
not have any false positives or negatives over the
past 20,000 emails on this list. Do we have tools that make sure
no human has altered any subject line inappropriately?
Filtering by mailing list address is much easier and more reliable.


Andy




On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> On 09/06/2013 07:55, Melinda Shore wrote:
> > On 6/8/13 10:09 AM, SM wrote:
> >> As an off-topic comment, there are are alternative ways in making a
> >> decision; the best judgement of the most experienced or IETF Consensus.
> >
> > I don't think it's off-topic.  Consensus (rough or otherwise) requires
> > that at some point people can live with decisions with
> > which they disagree.  To the extent that we've seen recent misbehavior
> > on this list, it's from only one person who's rejecting the consensus
> > and rejecting the process.  It's really annoying but I don't think
> > it's particularly disruptive.  If it becomes disruptive, there's a
> > rarely-used hammer: the PR action.
>
> I agree. Whatever misbehaviour Melinda means hasn't troubled me;
> it must be a user or a thread that I filter to junk.
> Disagreement is fine as long as people in the end understand
> when they're in the rough and not in the consensus.
>
> There are times when this list annoys me too, but it is far from
> a failure IMHO.
>
>    Brian
>
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