Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is now available.
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 27 August 2024 17:21 UTC
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On 8/27/24 11:49, Brian Rosen wrote: > Can you suggest some part of our current process that should not be > subject to community consensus, but can be decided by some other group > (IESG, RSAB, RSWG, Secretariat, RPC Editor, Tools-team, ...)? We > don’t have a mechanism to determine consensus on a web page, and I > don’t think we want to create one. Why would there be any part of our current process that shouldn't be vetted by community consensus? And even if one were identified, it seems like it should require community consensus to change it. Keith
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … John C Klensin
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … John C Klensin
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Scott Bradner
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Keith Moore
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Salz, Rich
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian Rosen
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Keith Moore
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … John C Klensin
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … John C Klensin
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Michael Richardson
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Internet-Draft draft-rsalz-2026bis-00.txt is … Michael Richardson