Re: Hotel networks (Was Re: Security for the IETF wireless network)

Randall Gellens <randy@qti.qualcomm.com> Fri, 25 July 2014 19:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: Hotel networks (Was Re: Security for the IETF wireless network)
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At 4:10 PM +0200 7/25/14, Stefan Winter wrote:

>  Assuming you didn't (because NOC doesn't tell us what to expect), how do
>  you know you connected to the IETF network, and not some evil twin who
>  is able to spell "ietf-1x" correctly in his AP config dialog?

Would connecting to this evil twin network be worse than connecting 
to the plain ietf network, perhaps also operated by an evil twin?

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