Re: Old directions in social media.

[Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]>]

I take offense at this description of my work and demand an immediate
apology.

What I said was that I am already building a tool whose primary target
audience is outside IETF scope (confidential, end to end encrypted
interactions) but that the tool might be of interest to IETF as it builds
on existing approaches with improvements.

Of course I didn't expect the folk who can't understand what is wrong with
nroff to understand the limitations of github. In fact I notice that a lot
of engineers are unable to produce quality work precisely because they have
no aesthetic judgement. Gates did, Jobs did and now Musk does. The ability
to look at existing systems and understand why they are defective is the
first step towards replacing them with something better



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:07 AM Kyle Rose <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Tl;dr: Old man yells at cloud. Other old men yell back.
>
> The thread starts here:
>
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/K0o3LACAN_xysoD8zlaqQgQN5rE/
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:56 AM Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks, I see heated discussions on this thread, but I missed its
>> beginnings.
>> I would appreciate if someone shortly describes what is being discussed
>> and what has been learned so far?
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 4:53 PM Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>     PHB> My experience of the OpenPGP BIS WG was that the attempt to use
>>> github were
>>>     PHB> one of the things that led to its failure.
>>>
>>> Salz, Rich <rsalz=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>     RS> That WG used GitLab, not GitHub.
>>>
>>> PHB,
>>> I don't know what happened, or whether it was GitLab or GitHub.
>>> I do know that it was at least five years ago, right?
>>> I would appreciate some summary of what went wrong?
>>> Was it really the tool?  Was it people using the tool wrong?
>>> Were they fighting the tool?
>>> Were they disagreeing (maybe even implicitely) on how to use the tool?
>>>
>>> I'm asking this to understand what a better tool would actually do.
>>>
>>> --
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