Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 22 November 2016 22:48 UTC
Return-Path: <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972B412940B for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:48:59 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -5.798
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUz4tMZ7ACHN for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DFF512961F for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE869BE58; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:48:53 +0000 (GMT)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie
Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bt1f6DBI6tg7; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:48:51 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from [10.87.48.210] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84E9ABE55; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:48:51 +0000 (GMT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1479854931; bh=nhqTHbg6jjfJiMN9I3UJf70bP+HCU/k7dtG1Qe1iFaM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lLXCyWPfkIYg7Dl/o1tENJGZH+SFva9RaVczWtO9uMf0b4UizHC3g02gCnDFzJnW1 4/5wtunTtpL6A4L6SdDvTHTb+pUbvEZyMWNdAss8tYAVi0R7LvHPzsCgCmG8OoizWo xt/LIxY5n1Tw8fOGrWRgn7NHldMa1hHNIs1urFbs=
Subject: Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything
To: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>, ietf@ietf.org
References: <734ef353-487f-4f64-6cfe-f7909e705a41@comcast.net> <ad06fa17-e810-62e9-a890-c7a66ce850c2@cs.tcd.ie> <662c9bc7-29ae-9b8e-fdf3-56f2f17adc34@comcast.net>
From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url=
Message-ID: <c98df9c6-55cb-8bc5-dd2b-d6189a41a7c0@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:48:51 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <662c9bc7-29ae-9b8e-fdf3-56f2f17adc34@comcast.net>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg="sha-256"; boundary="------------ms040705060107020903050007"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/tX0gK0uQmSNmR5vf2WCa7MlQuR4>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 22:49:00 -0000
On 22/11/16 22:35, Michael StJohns wrote: > On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> On 22/11/16 20:25, Michael StJohns wrote: >>> Is it time to revise BCP72/RFC3522 to require we also address threats >>> *from* the protocols to the Internet as a whole? >> Yes. As Kathleen said please do contribute to the relevant >> thread [1] on the saag list. >> >> S. >> >> [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg07514.html >> > Thanks - missed this on the SAAG list when it first came out. > > To be honest, this thread/discussion appears a bit moribund: Yep. I hope though that topics such as this will be raised and dealt with. I guess it'll be slower than we hoped though. > it wasn't > brought up during the SAAG meeting this time AFAICT, it doesn't appear > to actually be a WG item as of yet, there doesn't appear to be much if > any discussion on the SAAG list (a quick look doesn't find anything > since July excepts Stephen's note - and that was all related to > privacy), and the ID and GIT don't appear to have been updated since > August. The version on GIT seems to be only a references update from > 3522. It looks like there was maybe a 10 minute - if that - chat about > this in Berlin. > > Perhaps it's time to have a broader (than SAAG) discussion on this as it > really reaches further? I don't care if it's broad or narrow so long as we cover the ground. If/when folks engage then we'll find the right method for handling engagement. (Could be on here, on saag or on a new list - but for now, I think saag is the better option.) > > Mike > > ps - on another note, why doesn't the SAAG have a datatracker page like > rtgwg? Saag's not a WG. People suggest it now and then (and others dislike the idea). Feel free to raise that too (though I'd far prefer we discuss 3552bis myself.) Cheers, S. > > > >
- Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Michael StJohns
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Stephen Farrell
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Carsten Bormann
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Michael StJohns
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Stephen Farrell
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Michael StJohns
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Yoav Nir
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Dave Taht
- Re: Security Considerations, IoT and Everything Rich Kulawiec