RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Wed, 15 August 2012 14:23 UTC

Return-Path: <jdrake@juniper.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BF221F87DD for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -5.538
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TMGSbP3mr1S for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from exprod7og110.obsmtp.com (exprod7og110.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1230521F879A for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob110.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUCuw1d/KHTmt1v031cmtfayke6A2FA+3@postini.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:23:19 PDT
Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:22:16 -0700
From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:22:15 -0700
Subject: RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Thread-Topic: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Thread-Index: Ac167e7L+G12CRtuQJG5i7jRsasLEQAAuP6g
Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A9B46695@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net>
References: <CADnDZ88ZxWGXau6de5YEFXbd-_vpxt4r08X4xHUfydzknnX9Ug@mail.gmail.com> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A9B46674@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <CADnDZ8-w42UTibfWcMO0CkjEUZY+9Wfh_nPmi_=PP5nmp2h_4g@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CADnDZ8-w42UTibfWcMO0CkjEUZY+9Wfh_nPmi_=PP5nmp2h_4g@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
acceptlanguage: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A9B46695EMBX01HQjnprn_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Cc: "iab@iab.org" <iab@iab.org>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:23:21 -0000

AB,

I couldn't answer this until I get an answer to my original question regarding the document's purpose.  I also have a related question, viz, is there a plan of some sort of which this document is a component, or is the document simply a one-off?

Thanks,

John

Sent from my iPhone

From: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:57 AM
To: John E Drake
Cc: ietf; iab@iab.org
Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

John,

Could you suggest a solution to this issue or an additional statements to the document, I think then the document may need amendment, to consider your advise/experience.

AB
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM, John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>> wrote:
AB,

I don't think the principles articulated in this document will come as a surprise to any SDO with which the IETF interacts and I don't think this document will prevent another SDO from acting badly wrt the IETF if it so chooses.  Also, bear in mind that 'acting badly' is entirely subjective.

For example, if you were to ask the ITU leadership if they 'acted badly' during the MPLS-TP imbroglio, I think they would counter that it was the IETF that 'acted badly'.  In fact, I have seen them say exactly this.

And lest we forget, we had a much more comprehensive agreement in place for MPLS-TP.

Thanks,

John

Sent from my iPhone

From: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com<mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:29 AM
To: John E Drake
Cc: ietf
Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

Hi John,

>Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it?

IMO the document introduces important statements (purpose and objectives) so that other organisations and SDOs recognise while interacting with IETF. It may look simple or known, but necessary for IETF future cooperations.

I agree that your question is very important and that the best person to answer is the Chair of IETF or IAB.

AB