Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Thu, 07 March 2013 08:47 UTC

Return-Path: <cabo@tzi.org>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E5621F8A27 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 00:47:45 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -106.249
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LLwDbTqW19mb for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 00:47:44 -0800 (PST)
Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659B721F89FD for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 00:47:44 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de
Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r278ldQe028596; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:47:39 +0100 (CET)
Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p54891A82.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.26.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A65C630EA; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:47:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\))
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
In-Reply-To: <20130307065552.GH20642@cisco.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:47:38 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <FEE3EC49-FE63-492E-9691-DDD6CE927202@tzi.org>
References: <033901ce1996$9c8258e0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <290E20B455C66743BE178C5C84F124081A49EEF286@EXMB01CMS.surrey.ac.uk> <003301ce19ab$40e6e9a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F787238@SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <51363249.1000605@isi.edu> <47029AA2-8072-490A-988A-826577B582B5@tzi.org> <20130307065552.GH20642@cisco.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499)
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org Discussion" <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:47:45 -0000

On Mar 7, 2013, at 07:55, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:

> Really ? You don't think a good AD should primarily look for factual evidence
> (lab, simulation, interop, ..) results produced by others to judge whether
> sufficient work was done to proof that the known entry critera are met 
> (like no congestion cllapse) - instead of trying to judge those solely
> by himself/herself ? 

How do you judge the evidence without understanding it?
(E,g,. I wouldn't want an AD taking in lab/simulation/interop input as "factual evidence"...
I also wouldn't want an AD to wait for "proof" of anything in this space.)

Grüße, Carsten

PS.: I just spent a day at CeBIT.  One guy there reported to that he has seen 35000 active devices on his WiFi snooper.
I'm not quite sure what that means, but he seemed to be implying "at a specific point in time".
Go congestion control that.  And then "prove" that your solution works.
Somehow, we still seem to be deploying WiFi, nonetheless, and some even consider WiFi a success.
Would your hypothetical AD waiting for "sufficient work was done" have approved WiFi?  In 1998?